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PostSubject: Do Strikers Make Bad coaches?   Wed Dec 05, 2007 4:40 pm

Discuss my bitches!!! I'll enlighten you later bi
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PostSubject: Re: Do Strikers Make Bad coaches?   Wed Dec 05, 2007 5:27 pm

a players position has nothing to do with how good a manager he can be...

biyach

a better question would be... whos the BEST player/manager

lots of GOOD managers used to be SHIT players...

but how many were GOOD players and later on became GOOD managers.

mario zagalo? carlos alberto? etc...
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PostSubject: Re: Do Strikers Make Bad coaches?   Thu Dec 06, 2007 5:38 am

ahmad193 wrote:
a players position has nothing to do with how good a manager he can be...

biyach

a better question would be... whos the BEST player/manager

lots of GOOD managers used to be SHIT players...

but how many were GOOD players and later on became GOOD managers.

mario zagalo? carlos alberto? etc...
Welll bitch bi bi (see I did that one twice Very Happy )It seems to me that of all players strikers make the most shit managers.....Van Basten was a phenomenal player.....as a coach he makes mistakes that you don't even make playing fifa 08. Voller was also a GREAT striker for Germany...but as a coach saw Germany get owned far too much....although I think he led Germany to the 02' final......Germany had far too easy a route for it to be a truly notable accomplishment.........Klinsman is the only striker at present whom I could see that did pretty well. Kevin Keegan was pure rubbish as is that idiot Mancini... who is shining simply because Milan and Juve are in bad shape at present....I don't think Pele ever cut it as a coach...and Maradonna can't be trusted to lead a priest down the straight and narrow pirat . Romario is having a go but it's always going to be hard after getting disciplined for drug use. look at our great coaches at present:

Benitez & Mourinho (never made it big as a pro)
Fergie (dm)
Rijkaard (dm)
Ancelotti (dm, def)
Capello (?)
Scolari (?)
Bekenbauer (retired) (defender)
Schuster (dm)
Zoff (GK)
Keane (dm)
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PostSubject: Re: Do Strikers Make Bad coaches?   Thu Dec 06, 2007 5:48 am

whats your point... that defensive players make better coaches?

what about kenny dalglish (AM)

and

Carlos Alberto Parreira! BIYACH
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PostSubject: Re: Do Strikers Make Bad coaches?   Thu Dec 06, 2007 4:55 pm

ahmad193 wrote:
whats your point... that defensive players make better coaches?

what about kenny dalglish (AM)

and

Carlos Alberto Parreira! BIYACH
compare those TWO to my list bi
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PostSubject: Re: Do Strikers Make Bad coaches?   Fri Dec 07, 2007 5:28 am

well... lets see

kenny dalglish : Dalglish became player-manager of the Anfield club and guided them to the club's first ever "double" by the end of his first season in charge, 1985-86. Liverpool achieved the historic feat by winning the League Championship by 2 points over Merseyside rivals Everton (Dalglish actually scored the winner in a 1-0 victory over Chelsea at Stamford Bridge to secure the title on the final day of the season) and the FA Cup, again, beating derby rivals Everton 3-1 in the first ever all-Merseyside FA Cup Final.

and carlos alberto: well, a WORLD CUP for starters...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Alberto_Parreira

so i wouldnt say your theory is fool proof.. i can still poke holes in it if i did more research man.. these two great players/managers have done enough to prove that you CAN be a good striker and good coach.
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PostSubject: Re: Do Strikers Make Bad coaches?   Fri Dec 07, 2007 5:46 am

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well... lets see

kenny dalglish : Dalglish became player-manager of the Anfield club and guided them to the club's first ever "double" by the end of his first season in charge, 1985-86. Liverpool achieved the historic feat by winning the League Championship by 2 points over Merseyside rivals Everton (Dalglish actually scored the winner in a 1-0 victory over Chelsea at Stamford Bridge to secure the title on the final day of the season) and the FA Cup, again, beating derby rivals Everton 3-1 in the first ever all-Merseyside FA Cup Final.

and carlos alberto: well, a WORLD CUP for starters...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Alberto_Parreira

so i wouldnt say your theory is fool proof.. i can still poke holes in it if i did more research man.. these two great players/managers have done enough to prove that you CAN be a good striker and good coach.

ha ha ahmad very funny. You as well as I know that I wasn't talking about their accomplishments per se.....I was talking about their frequency.....two strikers (dnaglish and CAP) out of the whole list is poor

Compare that to:

Capello: (I think he was a defensive player) CL, Scudettoes, La Liga
Rijkaard: La Ligas and a CL
Ancelotti: a Scudetto and TWO CL
Lippi: a CL and tons of scudettos
Bekenbauer: a CL (with Bayern I think), a WC and a bundesliga
Mourinho: (not even a professional league player) CL, premiership, Superliga
Benitez: (not a significant league player) La Liga, Uefa cup, CL
Ferguson: CL, tons of FA and Premiership
Wenger: premireships and FA's
Zoff: WC
Scolari: WC and he has done wonders for Portugal

+ I think CAP was an AM and NOT a striker:pop:

edit: the article says NOTHING about him being a striker or a player at all
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PostSubject: Re: Do Strikers Make Bad coaches?   Fri Dec 07, 2007 6:24 am

what exactly are you trying to prove?

that defenders make better managers than strikers?

or stikers in general suck as managers?
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PostSubject: Re: Do Strikers Make Bad coaches?   Fri Dec 07, 2007 7:20 am

ahmad193 wrote:
what exactly are you trying to prove?

that defenders make better managers than strikers?

or stikers in general suck as managers?
I was trying to see if anyone could come up with intelligent (not from you obviously Very Happy (JK) ) reasons as to WHY generally strikers make shitty managers...I have my own opinions but I wanted to hear what the general public had to say unity
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PostSubject: Re: Do Strikers Make Bad coaches?   Fri Dec 07, 2007 7:34 am

ok... lets be more scientific about this

HOW MANY striker/managers are there

and how many defenders/managers are there

you have to even things out .... just becuz some strikers didnt become managers, doesnt mean that they're failures.

and another thing

benitez... mourinho.. capello.. fergie.. wenger.. ancelotti

were all shit players

Bekenbauer, zoff, rijkaard are the only ones that could be compared to dalglish and carlos alberto..
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PostSubject: Re: Do Strikers Make Bad coaches?   Fri Dec 07, 2007 8:17 am

ahmad193 wrote:
ok... lets be more scientific about this

HOW MANY striker/managers are there

and how many defenders/managers are there

you have to even things out .... just becuz some strikers didnt become managers, doesnt mean that they're failures.

and another thing

benitez... mourinho.. capello.. fergie.. wenger.. ancelotti

were all shit players

Bekenbauer, zoff, rijkaard are the only ones that could be compared to dalglish and carlos alberto..
Point taken but I never said "good" or "bad" strikers....I just said "strikers" in general.
And obviously I couldn't talk about strikers that never managed...that would be just plain silly right?
But Klinsman, MVB, Voller, Romario and Mancini are who we have today.. and out of the group the only respected manager is Klinsman....and he hasn't really won anything as significant as say Mancini's paper scudettos
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PostSubject: Re: Do Strikers Make Bad coaches?   Mon Dec 10, 2007 6:32 am

roberto mancini is god!

inter are unstoppable

inter shall reign supreme

champions of italy

champions of europe

champions of the world

muwahahahahaha muwahahahaahahah

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PostSubject: Re: Do Strikers Make Bad coaches?   Wed Dec 12, 2007 7:31 am

whatever Rolling Eyes Just know that Mancini is profiting from SEVERE damage done to Milan and Juve.....
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PostSubject: Re: Do Strikers Make Bad coaches?   Wed Dec 12, 2007 2:00 pm

milan? how the hell was milan damaged?!

juve were the ones who got fucked into serie b .. half their players left.

nothing happened to milan
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PostSubject: Re: Do Strikers Make Bad coaches?   Sun Mar 23, 2008 3:06 am

It's really a combination of the former player's tactical nous, ability to communicate and overall intelligence when it comes to football.

Rafa was actually at Real Madrid for a while but it seemed to me that his heart was really set on coaching. The guy hates losing, one time playing an army game with a childhood friend he lost but simply couldn't understand why. As a result, he stayed up all night and devised a tactic that would not only see him win next time he met his friend but would guarantee he'd never lose again.

Some determination from a kid lol, I usually just throw the monopoly board upside down or something.
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PostSubject: Re: Do Strikers Make Bad coaches?   Tue May 13, 2008 6:23 pm

Roberto mancini won the scudetto and on the verge of winning it again. cant say NOTHING bout his achievements. And questioning his achievements and not the other managers you put on the list (like mourinho's porto currently under investigation for his only champions league triumph) easily exposes your bias.

Klinsman is well respected in the game, he reached the semis of the world cup and you could see he transformed the German team.

Daglish- unquestionable

Vaan basten - reached euro 2008 comfortably.

Laudrop - 2 cup finals, good manager who comes from attacking backgrounds.

im not sure how many former strikers out there managing, but managers do tend to come mainly from defensive minded players and non footballers, in other words;if the vast majority of managers do come from defensive backgrounds, then the failures from that group are the highest- i cant be bothered to research it, but Tony adams, David O'leary, stewart Pearce and steve mclaren spring to mind here
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PostSubject: Re: Do Strikers Make Bad coaches?   Thu May 15, 2008 11:14 am

yet another good post teee .. well done!
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